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Paula fragte in Politics & GovernmentMilitary · vor 10 Jahren

what is a shellback certificate?

hi i went to a car boot sale yesterday and purchased (for the grand price of 10p)

a framed shellback certificate dated 1949 signed by davey jones and neptune lol

informing all dolphins landlubbers mermaids etc that Michael mortimer(this name is in different type font to the rest) is a trusty shellback .

it looks as if at some point this certificate was rolled as a scroll (a piece of rope and a bit of wax stamp remain on the bottom)

now from what i can gather on the net ..this means that he was in the navy?

crossed the equater?

went through some sort of initiation?

how do i know what navy? (us,british?)

and did i pay 10p for a worthless piece of paper?

points available for best answer.!!!!

Thanks.

Update:

ok....

M.V Port Hobart.

this said vessel and officers and crew thereof have been inspected ..etc..etc

however on googling this ship it was sunk in 1940

the date on certificate is

the (NINTH) day of (JULY 49) the words (ninth) and (july 49) are handwritten

how if the ship was sunk in 1940.

im assuming this cannot be 1849 !!?

Update 2:

likely a M.V port hobart (2) was built?

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  • Mrsjvb
    Lv 7
    vor 10 Jahren
    Beste Antwort

    its probably worthless to anyone but Michael Mortimer and his descendants as far as actual monetary value.

    but intrinsically it's a valuable piece of Maritime History. .

  • TomB
    Lv 7
    vor 10 Jahren

    http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo-...

    People have explained the Shellback thing already but I found this for you.

    Here is a picture of the Port Hobart. It apparently was/is a cargo ship and this class of ship was built from 1940-1949. This Port Hobart was built in '46 so it is probably the Ship you are asking about.

    And yes the Certificate is probably only valuable to the person that went through the initiation ceremony and maybe his family. There are other certificates for crossing things like the Arctic Circle, International Dateline, Antarctic Circle etc. etc. They are kind of a "Badge of Honor" to the people that went through the initiations (or a "Been there, Done that" statement).

    Quelle(n): Retired Navy "Blue Nose" (for crossing the Arctic Circle) and the Net
  • vor 10 Jahren

    Its probably worthless. A shellback as far as the US Navy and US coast guard are concerned is someone who has crossed the equator. Their is an initiation but all non-shellbacks aka scallywags go through this. All the certificates have the bit with neptune and davey jones. As to what Navy I am not completely sure but I know its a US custom not sure if the British do the same thing. As to the worth of it see if you can find out what ship it was from, some ships have been turned into museums.

  • John W
    Lv 6
    vor 10 Jahren

    The ceremony of "Crossing the line" is an initiation rite in the Royal Navy, US Navy, US Coast Guard, the US Marine Corps, and other navies that commemorates a sailor's first crossing of the Equator. Originally, the tradition was created as a test for seasoned sailors to ensure their new shipmates were capable of handling long rough times at sea. Sailors who have already crossed the Equator are nicknamed (Trusty) SHELLBACKS, often referred to as Sons of Neptune; those who have not are nicknamed (Slimy) Pollywogs.

    The sailors are given a certificate and card called a "Shellback Certificate".

    A Golden Shellback Certificate is for sailors who have crossed the point where the Equator crosses the International Date Line.

    The Emerald Shellback Certificate or Royal Diamond Shellback Certificate is for sailors who cross at 0 degrees off the coast of West Africa (where the Equator crosses the Prime Meridian.

    Submariners often become "Top Secret Shellbacks" having crossed the Equator at a classified degree of longitude.

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  • ?
    Lv 6
    vor 10 Jahren

    Shellback certificates are awarded to Marines and Sailors who cross the equator while underway. Its a very old tradition. I couldnt tell you if its US or UK without looking. In the US it is celebrated by spending the day playfully hazing the new shell backs. People who have crossed before will spray new crossers with hoses and set up little challenges for them to run. It would only be worth a lot of money if it was awarded to a famous Sailor or somehow linked to something other famous. Other than that it is just something cool to have.

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