Does Proverbs 8 prove Michael is Jesus?

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Proverbs 8--there is 0 doubt that this is the being who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal speaking. It is not God speaking. The speaker references-HE a few x, that is God. He as well explains how hard it was for God to create him direct. 8:24)-Jesus became wisdom for us( 1Cor 1:30)
verse 22--YHVH(Jehovah) produced me as the beginning of his way( creation-Coll 1:15)- fond of me day by day became Gods master worker.All the other things were created through this being-The NT names him Jesus but no Name Jesus in the OT, It is Michael speaking.
Rev 6 as well proves Michael is Jesus.

Georgie · Accepted Answer

It would be easier to answer for most with a scripture added.  But the answer is yes, Jesus & Michael are the same .

crosseyed · Answer

hi there

proverbs 8 begins by identifying what it is about - wisdom and understanding - and is definitely feminine.

the kjv uses "possessed" rather than "produced". 
if your perversion says "produced" then before this production god had no wisdom or understanding - an untenable position.

nowhere does this proverb identify jesus or michael.

jesus is identified in scriptures such as john 20:28. he is god. 
but you are held in the power of a luciferian mindtrap and so will argue this clear identification.

and after arguing all the scriptures that identify him as god, then you have to ask the question "who is he?". and so then you have to make arguments he is michael.
this is all bizarre and antichrist. why not accept what scripture says instead of the word of a false prophet?

Τιμοθέῳ · Answer

In Proverbs 7:4 it says, 'Say to wisdom, "You are my sister," ' So that makes your Michael/Jesus as your sister! How interesting it is that the Jehovah's Witnesses have a woman savior, not that I'm against the feminist movement, however! It is just fascinating!

DP. · Answer

Not at all!

Perhaps you'd like to show us where in Proverbs 8 it says anything about Jesus. You know ANY reference.  Like all good JWs you simply follow what JWorg tells you and accept that the "HE" in Pr8 is Jesus when there is absolutely no reference to this fact.

.. and what makes it worse is that the chapter makes it clear that this is the personification of "wisdom"

So instead of accepting the obvious, JWorg seeks to make Pr8 about Christ in order to support it's weird claim that Christ is Michael.

ONLY the werid JWs try to use Pr8 in this way!

https://www.str.org/blog/does-proverbs-8-22-teach-that-jesus-was-created
https://carm.org/prov-8-22-31-produced-me-as-the-begining-of-his-way

The same applies to Rev 6 .. ie. Jesus is not said to be Michael or vice versa.

Here and let's quote JWs founder himself who tells us Michael will worship Jesus...

"Hence it is said, "Let all the angels of God worship him;" [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because He has "by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they." " Zion's Watch Tower 1879 November p.4

So basically..........

""I have been crucified with Michael the archangel and I no longer live, but Michael the archangel lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by FAITH in Michael the archangel who loved me and gave himself up for me."

IS WRONG.

... and then why don't you step up to the plate and be the ONE JW who has FULLY investigated the doctrine of the  Trinity?  You know found the 300 + verses, documented them, considered the cultural setting, linguistic usage with thousands of cross references, arguments and counter arguments to have comprehensive notes on the matter?

... because you can't or because you won't?

pugjw9896 · Answer

Yes...
The RCC and others claim this scripture refers to the quality of wisdom...and Jesus IS wise.
But a quality cannot be FOND of men...
Jesus CAN.

Ricardo · Answer

Does Proverbs 8 prove Michael is Jesus?

- No, but fundies like to believe that.

Anonym · Answer

No.

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne." -- Matthew 25:31

It says ALL the angels will be with Jesus when he returns, not "all the other angels".  I defy you to tell me why that verse is less plain and straightforward than the ones you obsess over.

Anonym · Answer

No, you're misunderstanding the scripture.  God is no angel.

Jim · Answer

Nope.

Anonym · Answer

Sure.

These are imaginary creatures in a fictional story.

You can make anyone be anyone else.

Does Proverbs 8 prove Michael is Jesus?

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