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Is it possible to be selfish without hurting anybody?
Is it possible to act in one's self-interest all the time without requiring that other human beings sacrifice their lives, property or liberty for us? Is it moral or immoral to be selfish in this way? Surely the act of enjoying a dessert is solely in one's self interest and it does not hurt anyone else in the world. Is that an example of moral selfishness? Are there other actions like that?
May --- A word like Sweed-ish means “related to Sweeden;” similarly, a word like self-ish means “related to the self.” To be related to Sweeden does not mean to be good about Sweeden and bad about every other country. Similarly, to be related to the self does not mean to be good to the self and bad to everybody else. My question implies that one can be selfish at the expense of others and one can be selfish at no one’s expense. Therefore, the statement “...if you ALWAYS act for yourself you WILL hurt others” seems untrue. First of all, one would not be able to survive if one ALWAYS acted in the interest of others at one’s expense. Therefore, ALWAYS is out of the question both ways. If it is not moral to sacrifice others for us, it is not moral for others to sacrifice us for them.
Morality depends on the consequences that any action originating for any SELF produces, but fundamentally all human actions are related to the self, in the self’s interest. It is in my self interest t
There are ethical principles, like laws of physics, chemistry and biology, that govern morality. They have to be discovered, like everything else in life. Humans are not infallible, so we can all be wrong.
James K ---- I said selfish "all the time" meaning exactly that, consistently. Why? Because the self, our self, is with us all the time. We are the self and can’t be anything else but what we are. I can have dessert for myself, then I can go to work “for my self interest”, then I can go for a walk (for the benefit of my self), then I can rescue a lost dog (because my self has empathy and can’t stand looking at the consequences of a dog without its owner); then I can go volunteer for one “altruistic” social cause or another and donate of my time, money and energy because my self feels so much better doing something for the purpose of living in a world without poverty, diseases, and crime. So, which of these actions are disconnected from the self? None. We do every
Hi, Aaron --- Yours is a bit too convoluted of an argument. You basically try to place all human actions in two well-defined black or white areas. Either an action is selfish (harmful to others) or selfless (beneficial to others). I think it’s a false alternative. The example of the ice scream fits. It’s not that one doesn’t have the money to offer a free ice scream to a friend – a friend is still a selfish value. Does a person have the money to offer a free ice scream to a stranger? Does he have enough to offer it to two, three, ten strangers? When do the strangers become too many for the money? Is that the standard for drawing the moral line? Do we draw the line when one is so poor that he has no money for a certain number of strangers? This will put the poor automatically on a moral high horse. The poorest person has only needs and nothing to give. Is that what makes him moral?
Selfless does not mean selfless for one person. It means that as long as there is some value in that self (ice scream, money, energy, etc.) others should benefit from everything that is extra. Money, time and energy are scarce commodities that all individuals need for survival and for improving their lives. If people drew the line to the bare survival according to the principle that “one is only morally entitled to what allows him to live and what goes beyond that amount belongs to whoever might desire it or need it” then there would be no progress beyond survival, just like in the animal world. The mind would serve no purpose for improving human life. Life could never be improved, since all improvement is a surplus beyond the mere survival level.
In this moral predicament, a man who had more energy, strength or ability could not choose to use his skills to improve his own personal living condition without denying others with less energy, less strength or ability the part of wealth that was his. This is true in a prehistoric society as it is in the financial and technological world of today. Between the man who gives away all his wealth to the poor and the one who aims at accumulating a great amount of wealth to invest in the development of a new medicine, which man has indirectly given more to society as a whole? Which man has squandered to nothingness his wealth, and which one has used it wisely in his own self-interest while indirectly benefiting the whole mankind?
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- vor 9 JahrenBeste Antwort
Hmm, I've written two answers already and I've come across a flaw in each one. Third time is the charm. >_<
So, The first thing I'm wondering is if there is an actual mutual stage. Meaning we can bless other people and we can harm other people but can we actually do neither? In some senses I think the equal position might not really be all that real.
For example; I have enough money for two ice creams. I only need one and I have nothing else I need to do with the money. I have the option to buy an ice cream for someone else as a random act of kindness or save my money for something else. There are two choices. Use the money to buy an ice cream for another person (the selfless act). Or you could keep the money for yourself (the selfish act). The first choice is tangible. Meaning you can see that the other person has a free ice cream. However the second choice is in a sense a blind harm. By that I mean you can't exactly see that anything good or bad happens. But in a sense you are robbing that man of the possibility of getting a free ice cream. That is something that you don't see and that is why I believe there isn't actually an equal/ mutual choice. It either benefits the other person or you rob the man of the possibility of a free ice cream.
It doesn't really affect the other person in a tangible way but in a sense it is taking away a good thing from the other person. in turn doing harm. The other person doesn't feel any pain but he is missing out on a free ice cream. So I guess what I'm trying to say with this is that there are two choices and there are two outcomes. The selfless choice leads to benefit others and the selfish act does harm.
Of course people do need to have a distinction between what is taking care of your self and being selfish if there is a difference at all and if so where is the line? I think once that question has a real answer we can solve a lot more about morality in a bigger and larger sense. Until then I don't think any argument well be able to hold it's own. I think we're trying to build answers without a foundation. So a better question might be "What is our foundation?" We need a better understanding of what the difference between being selfish and taking care of ourselves. Once we have a real understanding of that we well be able to take a real deep look at what morality holds for us.
Quelle(n): Great question! Thanks, Your friend, -Aaron - James KLv 4vor 9 Jahren
Your question hinges on the phrase "all the time." Whereas your example of the dessert is a one-time event. Can someone be narcissistic and still function, yes they can. Can someone help another knowing their personal reward will be greater if a little sacrifice can be made up front? This is also true and usually the basis for all human motivation. Very few people do anything for another without the possibility of receiving a reward of some kind. A morality issue may be present if you expect a much greater reward then the effort put forth.
Morality comes into play as to the reason one does what they do. There are just too many variables of the human physique to give you a pure answer. In general I would say that most narcissistic tendencies throw up numerous red flags and may have immoral undertones. Each instance has to be looked at individually.
- Anonymvor 9 Jahren
I believe there is a difference between taking care of yourself/ making sure you are happy and being selfish. It is very good and important to treat yourself sometimes, but it is immoral to be self centered. The truly moral thing is to be filled with charity, which means you are focused outward, looking to serve others. Your question, can we be selfish all the time and not affect others badly-- the answer is no. If you ALWAYS act for yourself you WILL hurt others. Driving regulations, romantic and family relationships, honor and integrity during testing, filing taxes... these are all examples where following our own self interest with complete disregard to others would result in hurting others. However, there are times, like eating your cake alone, where it doesn't hurt anyone and it makes you happy. That is simply taking care of you. And it is a wonderful thing.