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What is the purpose of morality?
Animals are a-moral entities. Is morality needed only for humans? Why yes or why no?
a chick -------- Do animals of a choice, like humans, about how best to act? We do. Why?
Krista A --- Yes, in what sense are we higher beings than animals? Are we "higher" or just "different"? What is it that distinguishes us from all other animals?
Krista A -------- Would agree, then, that morality is a code of conceptual values and not an instict? Would agree that values can be rational or irrational, right or wrong and are the products of reason, a facolty that only humans have?
Shoes ---------- Religions are mystical philosophies. They all begin with a supernatural revelation to arrive at the concept of value and from the concept of value for human life they proceed to reason out a code of ethics. There is no difference in how moral principles are reasoned and acquired by a person who is religious or an atheist. The difference is merely in the kind of premise from which one starts reasoning. The religious person begins with the existence of a supernatural being and a supernatural creation of reality for a divine purpose; the atheist begins with reality as being energy and matter that does not and cannot create or destroy itself. It simply exists and changes or evolves. For an atheist, life is one phenomenon of reality among many others.
thomas_tutoring2002 ---------- A standard of morality implies an ultimate purpose. The biological law of all living organism compels them to perceive and seek what is useful for their life and how to avoid what kills them. In humans, the standard of morality is our life. If we want to live we must be able to reason rationally and distinguish the real from the unreal, the true from the false, the just from the unjust, good from evil. A consistent and chronically irrational person is unable to reason logically to sustain his life. Therefore, a moral person is a person who wants to live by reason, without requiring that other people’s life, property or liberty be sacrificed or exploited to his advantage. One can arrive at this standard of morality with his own brain, since God’s own moral standard is great big guess.
Aaron ---- Therefore, isn't morality the result of reasoning? Isn't reasoning the result of the fact that we have a conceptual brain and animals do not? Isn't a fact that the brain is the organ that permits our survival by conceptualizing the difference between real and unreal, good for life and bad for life, good for peaceful cooperation with others or bad for conflict, exploitation, force and war against others? Can peaceful relationships exist among immoral people? Can people who do not value logical reasoning be moral and peaceful?
The Rookie ----- I see that you have a bad opinion of humans. But animals cheat each other a lot. They use trickery, disguises, camouflage to trap their preys. They are aggressive, ruthless, they lurk in the darkness to pounce on unsuspecting preys; they torture their prey before they eat it; they even start eating it before it’s dead. Nature’s laws are not peaceful laws. Humans have inherited all these skills from evolution from the animals. Plus, humans have developed a conceptual brain. So, they can be better at everything they inherited from the animals, even at self-destruction. The atomic bomb is not the worst of what humans can invent. But rational humans have given us the cure for horrible diseases, not out of lack of selfishness but BECAUSE of selfishness. Rational selfishness is for life. Irrational selfishness is for death.
Aaron -------- "Would humans cause more destruction than animals if they lived without morals? Why, what's the difference?" By "norals" you mean moral principles, of course. No human can live without moral principles. Not all moral principles are rational. Now the question is "which" moral principles cause destruction and which cause world peace. Living by practicing selflessness, for example, is a moral principle. It implies that the more you give up of yourself to others, the more moral you are. Does that mean that to seek self-interest is automatically destructive? Can one live consistently and only for the sake of his life and be beneficial, not destructive to oneself and others? On the other hand, can one truly live consistently for the sake of others without being destructive to oneself and ultimately one's life? What are the consequences of living CONSISTENTLY according to one kind of moral principle or the other?
Jimmy J -------- Yes, I understand the moral principles of nihilism. Morality is a convention. Even reasoning is a convention. Death is bad only if people agree it is bad, otherwise it is no different from life. "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted". No one can distinguish the real from the unreal, the true from the false, the just from the unjust, good form evil... it’s all the same. Unfortunately, there is a real scientific difference between life and death and life is a real value even for those who don’t believe it is, otherwise they would have gone to nothingness long ago. These are people who say one thing, but never act according to what they say. They have to wait for some scientific authority to tell them that there is life and there is death and what is good is at the service of living, never at the service of dying.
Aaron -- “...when moral principles are dismissed...” What you really mean is when we violate our own moral principles. We already said that moral principles are necessary and unavoidable for living as human being. There are rational and irrational moral principles. I do not believe that nature is sinful and that we are sinners by birth. Sin is the violation one of our own moral principles. I sin if I say that, if I can, I should live by giving to others, but I pursue my self-interest too much and feel guilty. Or, I sin when I say that stealing is a destructive and unjust method of gaining what I want, but if there is an opportunity, I steal! That’s the idea of a sin.
Antioch Verus ---------- If we are talking about principles of ethics or morality, we ought to go beyond the subjective view of morality. Either an action is destructive (immoral) toward life, property or liberty of an individual or is not. A universal, objective standard of morality goes beyond geographical and historical social contexts. An innocent woman abused 5,000 years ago in Babylonia, or in Afghanistan today or in Chicago remains an objective immoral action, regardless of cultural laws.
11 Antworten
- vor 9 JahrenBeste Antwort
Well, for starters, the answer is dependent on different beliefs. I personally believe that people are above animals. One reason is because we do have morality. We, as a general human society, have standard morals that we all understand and either agree with or disagree with. People have different theories for how we developed or came to the moralities that we have today. But that is a different subject. Your question is "What is the purpose of morality". The answer to that is to keep order. Whether that system of order was given to us by a god or evolved through trial and error the answer still remains. We need morality to stay in order and to keep unified and stay strong as the human species. That is the reason for morality.
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That really isn't related to the question that much. The questions you asked in response are too outstretched from the original question. I don't even know what you were trying to say exactly. But My personal opinion on the last two questions is "no". I do not believe people could live without morals. At least not without the basic morals. I think people, without some kind of basic standard, would not be able to live. At least not in a growing multiplying society. That kind of a world without morality would be chaos. It would be only the strong survive. Only the strong carry on. That isn't the kind of world that would be fair in the eyes of morality. In the eyes of morality people should be selfless, caring, compassionate, patient, joyful, trustful, etc. Otherwise the world as we know it would collapse. Humanity would destroy itself. So I have one of my own questions for you. If humans abandoned morality there would be ultimate chaos. That is undeniable. The question though is, "Would humans cause more destruction than animals if they lived without morals? Why, what's the difference?"
My answer would be yes. I do believe humans would cause more destruction. My reason being greed and pride (I don't believe animals have these characteristics, at least not to the extent that we are). Humans are greedy and prideful, along with many other characteristics. But greed and pride when unleashed from morality are endlessly destructive. If we lived separate from morality and let our greed and pride consume us we would never stop arguing, fighting, stealing, abusing, killing, destroying anything in our individual path. I'd say we would be worse than animals only because of our greed and pride. So, another question that comes up is "where do we get our greed and pride from? Why don't animals share this characteristic with us? Are we not truly different than animals, because I say we are.
I'll stop here for now and wait for another reply. I love these kinds of debates, throw me something a bit tougher though. ;)
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I do not believe that self intrest is destructive. However, when moral principles are dismissed we allow ourselves to be consumed with over indulgences. When we allow our "sinful nature" to run our lives is when we start to be destructive. So if we dismis morality we are doomed to being consumed by our sinful nature. Which causes destruction.
I do not think that peaceful living is a balance between good morals and sinful nature. I believe peaceful living is advanced and lived when we abandon sinful nature and focus on developing good moral principles. I think that the generosity of time, money, energy and what not needs to come after we have what we NEED. Once each individual person has what they need then they should focus on giving generously. It's not a balance of selfishness and selflessness but having the ability to know when you have what you need and what you have left to give and being generous with it. Being ill equipped to give isn't a bad thing. But if you have the option to give then you should. So, it's not a decision of someone above yourself but taking care of your needs and then helping others with there needs.
If you have the balance of taking care of yourself without being greedy and giving generously I don't believe that being destructive to yourself is a problem. I hope that answered your question. Keep them coming!
- ?Lv 7vor 9 Jahren
Morality concerns itself about the behaviour of human beings especially the distinction between good and bad or right and wrong.
Human beings are sometimes not reliable. It is difficult to reform humans to make them reliable persons.
In a way animals could be regarded as more admirable than people. Although animals have no religion, they follow nature. They are only guided by the instincts for survival and never attack others except in self-defence or for food. They have no deceit.
Man needs moral standards to reduce selfishness and deceit. Man can turn and twist his mind for his own ends and to his personal advantage.
Albert Einstein once said, ' atomic energy has shaken and changed the whole world ; even the powerful atomic energy cannot change man's nature '.
Man is still as crooked, unreliable and dangerous as it has been from earliest times.
People do not really uphold the moral standards; if they do so then it should not be a problem.
Can religion change the mind for a better purpose ? or Can people uphold the religious principles ?
Humans can read and write or think and act in tandem with his purposes.
- vor 9 Jahren
I'm going to go with Shih Tzu's thought, and take it a step further. We condition animals not to crap on the floor, and we condition each other to abide by certain moral guidelines. We can come up with our own morals, but there's little difference between the two. The similarity lies in the fact that both moral guidelines are imaginary. All that makes killing your neighbor bad is the fact that you, your neighbor, and most observers agree that that action is bad. There's a quote in nihilism that I like: "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted". When it comes to moral and ethical guidelines, this quote stands true. The only ideas that are based on reality are those that we can measure using the scientific method. Everything else is false.
- vor 9 Jahren
Yes, it could be said that animals are 'a-moral entities'. However, whereas most animal behavior is fairly analogous and expected from one being to another. The range of human behaviors expands into such a range of drastic extremes that sometimes certain behaviors are deemed acceptable/unacceptable by (the human mind's invention of) society (which nevertheless has very REAL consequences) and are trained through *queue drumroll...* 'Societal Conditioning'! Sometimes there's an obvious reason to support/inhibit perceived moral/immoral behavior through societal conditioning and sometimes it's partly/wholly based on superstition. Nevertheless, there's always the discerning belief that morals act more to enrich and balance life within society than destroy.
*Also note that the aversion of committing societal taboos inversely upholds perceived moral standards. In addition, morals are relative to the society it is encompassed by, which allows them to vary drastically from region to region and leads me to the conclusion that morals have an inherently subjective nature (which makes them very fun/controversial to talk about in philosophy).
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- ?Lv 7vor 9 Jahren
Morality or civility are an element of the human race. Animals don't have the ability to distinguish right from wrong on a larger scale. The best they can do is not poop in the house because we conditionally teach them.
- vor 9 Jahren
WE AS HUMANS should be able to see that there is a God of moral standards!
*** it-2 p. 15 Jehovah ***
A God of moral standards. Man early came to know Jehovah not merely as a wise and bountiful Provider but also as a God of morals, one holding to definite standards as to what is right and what is wrong in conduct and practice. If, as indicated, Adam knew the account of creation, then he also knew Jehovah had divine standards, for the account says of his creative works that Jehovah saw that “it was very good,” hence meeting his perfect standard.—Ge 1:3, 4, 12, 25, 31; compare De 32:3, 4.
--Without standards there could be no means for determining or judging good and bad or for measuring and recognizing degrees of accuracy and excellence. In this regard, the following observations from the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1959, Vol. 21, pp. 306, 307) are enlightening:
“Man’s accomplishments [in establishing standards] . . . pale into insignificance when compared with standards in nature. The constellations, the orbits of the planets, the changeless normal properties of conductivity, ductility, elasticity, hardness, permeability, refractivity, strength, or viscosity in the materials of nature, . . . or the structure of cells, are a few examples of the astounding standardization in nature.”
--Showing the importance of such standardization in the material creation, the same work says: “Only through the standardization found in nature is it possible to recognize and classify . . . the many kinds of plants, fishes, birds or animals. Within these kinds, individuals resemble each other in minutest detail of structure, function and habits peculiar to each. [Compare Ge 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25.] If it were not for such standardization in the human body, physicians would not know whether an individual possessed certain organs, where to look for them . . . In fact, without natures standards there could be no organized society, no education and no physicians; each depends upon underlying, comparable similarities."
- ?Lv 7vor 9 Jahren
animals don't have morals, they have no sense of shame or guilt. they live in the here and now, and life with basic primitive survival instincts. morals and a conscience are not necessary for their survival. most people have a moral conscience and end up with a sense of guilt when its broken.
Moral Conscience is your inner voice which tells you whether your action is good or bad, right or wrong.
The purpose of conscience isn’t to give us the perception of moral reality that suits our preferences, but rather to help us perceive moral reality as it is—to tell us what truly is right and wrong, not to confirm us in our own ideas and wishes on the subject.
ALL theory's on morals and conscience relate to the bible, religion, the church and god. which is a bit hard to swallow if you are an atheist. i see it as your inner parent, your wiser self.
- ChickenfarmerLv 7vor 9 Jahren
No, even animals have a sense of propriety in animal terms. It makes us work well together instead of just being out for ourselves and not accomplishing anything and self destructing.
- Anonymvor 7 Jahren
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