The Burden of Proof, not for its existence; for your religious claims.?

Can I just say it's wrong and leave it at that?

Brodie hated the LDS church, and so her writings are going to re-inforce that.

Also, there is no scientific experiement to prove ANY book is the WORD OF GOD. Not even the Bible.

There is no striking parallelisms between the Book of Mormon, and ANY other book, except maybe the Bible.

There is no proof of anything within Christianity. That's where FAITH comes in.

I like something that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, thru Sherlock Holmes, said, that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

You're making this all to difficult..If God made his reality and Word so easy that even a child who lives under his reign can comprehend it, why not an adult? The simple answer I give others who doubt is God's challenge..Simply, TEST GOD...God challenges us to TEST Him whenever we choose to make the effort in our lives...Isn't that really what we're doing when we determine that he is real, after all?

To take God's challenge all we have to do is make the effort to get to know him and his word and believe for a time and give him a chance to work in our lives..How on else can so many be so positive that an entity can be so real from just reading ideals and thoughts slapped together? How is this book of simple laws that are meshed and intertwined together so powerful that billions have given their lives to prove its existence? Because we each took that basic challenge at some point and were convinced forever..

"The burden of proof tends to lie with anyone who is arguing against received wisdom"

Ha ha ha oh wow.

"that the religious crowd has the assumption and the atheists have to shift the accepted conclusion"

sorry, which particular subgroup of the "religious crowd" are you talking about, because in case you hadn't noticed, they all disagree with each other.

"So as long as there is plausible reason to believe that your religion is wrong, the burden is on you to prove it's right. "

Look, again, no. You claim X exists and want to convince others, you bring the evidence.

No. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim.

Also, you assertion that "that there is plausible reason to believe that a religion is wrong, the burden is on you to prove it's right" is also wrong. The burden of proof is on the person claiming that a religion is right, regardless of whether there is proof against that religion. As I said earlier, the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim.

The fact that your religion cannot be proven correct does not automatically mean that there is no probability of them being wrong, but what it does tell us is that there is no good reason to believe that they are true. Since there is no good reason to believe that they are true, then the logical position to take is to disbelieve the claim until proven true.

I can prove it is true. I have done so many times. Of course, I can't prove it is true to someone that doesn't want to know, or to someone who is overly skeptical. If people close their ears, and shut their eyes, what can I do? I can't force someone to believe.

Generally speaking, the evidence for the supernatural cannot be dissected, or put under a microscope. It cannot be photgraphed, measured or weighed. The evidence of the supernatural relies entirely on personal experience. Eye witness testimony is the only proof. It is curious that people who refuse to believe in the supernatural experiences of others, have little difficulty believing in their own. The difference between an atheist and a true believer is one vision.

Never-the-less there is physical evidence, compelling evidence, of the existence of the supernatural. The Book of Mormon came forth in modern times under the scrutiny of many people. Since it's origin is wholly supernatural, all one has to do is devise tests to authenticate it. In fact, people have been devising tests for over a hundred years. Word Print Analysis is one of the more modern tests. Word Print Analysis was designed to discover the authorship of literary pieces. When the Book of Mormon was studied and compared to the writing of Joseph Smith and other contemporaries, it was determined that the Book of Mormon was written by several people, none of which were Joseph Smith or anyone involved with Joseph Smith.

Then there are the eye-witnesses. At least 15 separate people saw the Book of Mormon, and the angel Moroni. Despite severe persecution and ridicule, none ever recanted their testimonies. The three main witnesses got miffed at Joseph Smith, and were excommunicated for conspiring against him, but none ever recanted their testimony of what they saw and heard. There was a standing offer of 10,000 dollars - a fortune in 1840 - to anyone who would recant, but no one did.

Then there are the odd and completely authentic literary devices that can be found throughout the Book of Mormon. Who ever wrote the Book of Mormon was an expert in ancient Hebrew verse, more so than anyone who lived in 1830. Some of the finest examples of Hebrew Chiasm and other types of Hebrew parallelism can be found in the Book of Mormon.

Then of course, there is archeology. Although no one has found a sign that says "Welcome to Book of Mormon Land", the Book of Mormon fits nicely into a Mesoamerican mold. The descriptions of Arabia are also detailed and accurate. It led one scholar to remark that no man alive in 1830 could have written the first 40 pages of the Book of Mormon. Some of the wildest assertions - walled cities with thrones, temples, towers and paved roads, cement houses, advanced metalurgy, fully developed written language, wars engaging hundreds of thousands of warriors - all have been discovered to be accurate descriptions of Mesoamerican technology and life.

I could go on and on. Many books have been written. The trouble is that few want to listen.

P.S. - You haven't really refuted one thing I've said. Of course you can find people to tell you pretty lies, but they are all a house of cards. They don't hold up to scrutiny. The Word Print Analysis of which you speak was a fraudulent one, not the original performed by UCB. They doctored it to make it look legit by increasing dramatically the threshold for differentiation. If you increase the threshold enough, you can prove that I wrote the Declaration of Independance, but it is hardly credible at that point. It is nothing but a desperate attempt to refute solid science. Anything can be questioned, but that doesn't reduce the validity of a statement.

The three primary witnesses were total strangers who had recently met the Prophet Joseph Smith. Martin Harris believed in the work, as he had acted as scribe and watched the process of translation. He was reluctant to loan money for the publication until he actually saw the Book of Mormon and the angel, at which point he said that it was enough. The Book of Mormon didn't sell. He lost his farm. His wife left him. He was excommunicated from the church. He could have been a rich man again and left something for his children, if he had been willing to perjure his testimony. He died penniless. The trouble with conspiracy theories, is that conspiracies that involve large numbers of people are impossible to keep quiet. If any of these witnesses had "the goods" on Joseph, why was he so quick to excommunicate them? You see - the propaganda that you presented is just a house of cards.

No other work has ever been found that is anything like the Book of Mormon. I've read View of the Hebrews. It is nothing like the Book of Mormon. It's just another desparate attempt to explain the unexplainable.

It could mean that I am under no obligation or "burden" to prove anything to anyone. The great part is that there is nothing you or any other little athey can do about it except stomp your little feet and shake your little fists. Hilarious, really.

The burden of proof lies on the positive claim. Sorry you can't deal with basic logic.

Pretty much.

One out of a thousand beliefs isn't likely to be the right one.

But it's no less likely than any of the others.

The burden of proof is on the other foot and not mine.

No.

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