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Is it time for "George Tiller's Law?"?
Drug property is taken from drug dealers. Murder property should be taken from criminal churches. If a murderer or attempted murderer is trained at a church to kill, that church or mosque should be closed. My guess is the "God-Damning" preachers who are the source of public violence lose their buildings, congregations will stop the violence before it starts.
Where do I get the notion that God's preachrs are the source of violence? From Richard Reid's Imam. From reading Randel Terry's hateful website. From seeing Fred Phelps preach that killing homosexuals and abortion workers is not just OK, but God's command. God's messangers are very violent lately and if they spawn a law breaker, then they have broken the law themselves. Inciting to break laws is illegal in most countries and using that to remove the offending churches would be a good thing in my mind.
11 Antworten
- vor 1 JahrzehntBeste Antwort
Can you imagine the reaction from the nutjobs? They already think a "new world order" is about to happen. This will send them absolutely bonkers!
- Vegan_MomLv 7vor 1 Jahrzehnt
First, perhaps you should do some research. To the best of my knowlege, the church at which Dr Tiller was a member was a church of the Evengelical Luthean Church in America. (I did church searches on the ELCA site, the Missouri Synod site and the Wisconson Synod site.) The Lutheran Church (all three denominations) does not preach hellfire and damnation, but grace and love and forgiveness. It's not "Don't do this or you will go to Hell," or, "If I do this, then God will do that," preaching, but, "Because God and Jesus did this for me, I feel compelled to respond by doing this," Faith vs. works, really.
Why should the church be closed? There are enough ELCA churches closing as it is. While the ELCA church is more liberal (even if I hadn't done the research on the churches in Wichita, I would have been surprised to see that the church was NOT ELCA, as the other two denominations are much more consverative; i.e., ELCA is the only major Lutheran denomination that ordains women), they do not train killers. I am curious as to why the doctor thought it was Christian to perform abortions. (He did late term aboritions.) As it is, from what I can tell, his performance of abortions is aligned with the ELCA's statement on them. ( http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/New-or-Returni... )
Just because somebody is a member of a congregation or a church, doesn't mean s/he agrees with everything the pastor or the denomination says. I don't agree with abortion at all, even if my life was in danger or if I were rapted. The ELCA policy says otherwise. (I'm a member of the ELCA.) It is very likely that the ELCA will okay homosexual ordinations and same-sex "unions". I do not agree with that.
Overall, I do not follow your line of thinking. For all we know, the shooter was an athiest. For all we know, the shooter was a member of a more radical denomination/church that thinks it's okay to prove their point of the evilness of killing (in this case, babies), by killing others. (An eye, for an eye, which is not Gospel.) I have not heard or read anything on the shooter, other than his name.
ETA: As for violent pastors-- My father (an ELCA pastor) only owned guns because he used to hunt. Something with which I don't agree with. See? Not only do I not agree with something a pastor believes, but I don't agree with something my father thinks is okay. He also has no qualms with killing garden rabbits and I grew up eating meat, but chose to be a vegan because I have my own thinking mind and brain. My husband (an ELCA pastor) and I do not own guns. My husband believes things with which I do not agree. (Again becuse we use our God given brains.)
Contrary to what you seem to think, not all people who are members of a church and/or believe in the Bible, God and Jesus are mindless lemmings and/or nut jobs.
- vor 1 Jahrzehnt
Did you remove that last question you asked a few minutes ago because you realized how stupid it made you look? I don't see it on the question list anymore.
WTF??? Preachers are the source of public violence? Where do you get these ignorant notions from? No preacher encourages violence against anyone. This a complete knee-jerk, emotional overraction on your part to this murder story, and it's causing you to draw totally irrational conclusions about religion and society.
- vor 1 Jahrzehnt
The murderer was a reported 'Freemen' member, I don't know any Church where they train you to shoot, I got my training in the Army. I guess we should shut the Army down because I oppose abortion. LOL..
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- JohnLv 4vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I would expect in the countries of predominant Muslim faith, the Christians would object more loudly and in the predominantly Christian countries the Muslims would object more loudly but what the media would cover so as to forward their own biased agenda is another thing.
- vor 1 Jahrzehnt
Don't try to make a martyr of that guy. He wasn't exactly an atheistic Jesus. Far from it. He was a Christian and probably a utilitarian, so you can't complain about his fate.
- Anonymvor 1 Jahrzehnt
Yes
Preaching fanaticism and supporting it is insane
But those who kill in a name of this or that god are adults with choices and thus, this won't pass as a valid argument, all tho i agree with you
- GlenLv 7vor 1 Jahrzehnt
Close the church? how about closing the university where Tiller learned how to perform abortions! (Tiller's murder is criminal by the way, I dont justify it)
- Anonymvor 1 Jahrzehnt
Eh, what? The murderer was not from the same church at all...
- Anonymvor 1 Jahrzehnt
Do you really think that if you take religion from people it will stop violence?