should we not protect the unborn baby, but we should protect condors in their eggs?

sad that this question went to over the top. when i read it to me it was rather plain and simple. People spend millions of dollars to save the [insert animal name here] moving their nests/dens/[insert living style here], stop construction projects, scale the tallest mountains..... yet they could care less about saving the life of a child.

PS - i roared at the person who made up some tragic story about the endangered baby - apparently they are neither a Christian nor a parent. my friend was told her child would only have a 30% survival rate and if he did would have "water on the brain" - he's 10 now and there was NOTHING wrong at all!

Yoohoo is spot on: The question is one of choice.

If the condor decided to throw its own egg out of the nest, conservationists would probably not catch it and put it back in the nest and tell the condor mother that she has to hatch and raise that chick!

The other view is that if condors were coming down and killing human babies, we would be rightly upset - that is the correct analogy.

One refinement: Humans don't lay eggs so there isn't a moral equivalence here, but many arguments for abortion centre around the fact that the growth of the fetus and the birth are something that happens to the mother's body hence she is physically involved in what is happening. After the birth, she is morally, financially, emotionally, etc involved but no longer has a risk to her physical self... After laying the egg, the egg is no longer a physical risk to the condor - should we view the egg as an unborn fetus or as a child?

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Aaahhh... I didn't realise the first time that this was going to be an anti-abortion rant... but let's look at your additions:

The lastest figure in the USA is around 3,200/day but, OK, close enough. This is out of close to 15,000 pregnancies terminating whether due to abortion or birth so no danger of Americans dying out due to abortion then...

As you said, you were fading - my point about the egg was meant to be an interesting philosophical sidetrack, not a direct answer which is why I said there wasn't an equivalence.

You ask "why can't people understand where I am coming from- we should not even have a choice to take the life of a baby in the womb" - the reason why we couldn't understand is because you didn't say so the first time! Now we know that your opinions on abortion are right-wing Christian fundamentalist, we do understand (don't agree, but understand).

One of your final edits is the key though: "Where are the other people that believe in the sanctity of human life?" Most of the pro-choice opinions you heard are from people who DO believe in the sanctity of human life:

We don't want to see people - usually male who will never have to endure the pain or risk of childbirth - force women to risk their lives just to satisfy a personal religious belief

They also believe in human dignity and the right for people - both mother and child - to have decent lives rather than be forced into misery, poverty, depression, etc.

Finally, many of these people recognise - and are trying to educate - that there is absolutely no need for more human beings on this planet (but have no problem with people who want children to have them), so why force people into doing things with their own bodies in order to produce unwanted babies?

Please, if you have moral/religious convictions, great, but don't force them onto other people - that, in itself, is immoral

I hear what you're saying!! I think all life is important. God created man to care over His creation, the planet. As I read in the Bible (NAB), before the great flood, people were vegetarians. After the flood, we were allowed to eat meat. People in every country eats different animals. As I think animals are important, we need protein and man is above animals and plants. With that said, I do agree with saving animals from becoming extinct. So we should save eggs and not kill snakes to make boots and alligators to make purses, etc.

Most importantly, we should save human babies, born and unborn, first!! God created us and allows us to exist for a reason. Just because a 17 yr old thinks her parents are going to kill her doesn't mean that she should kill her child instead. When a woman is raped, her child has the right to live and breath. With encouragement and help, she can give her child a chance to raised by another couple. I was adopted and a result of date rape. I thank my mother for giving birth to me.

When a bird egg becomes more important that a human developing inside it's mother's womb, that's when Satan is in control.

The law doesn't state that condors are more important than human beings, but do you understand why the law is there? They are an endangered species. not that human life isn't important, but the current population of humans is 6.5 billion. The condor population is around 300, half of which are bred in captivity.

See a slight difference?

I dont know what a condor is but i'm just commenting the the abortion topic.

i am 100% against abortion! has anyone ever read the "diary of an unborn baby"? the fact that there has been babies born weeks premature and survived and yet they could still have been aborted, it is awful! i dont understand how anyone could think it is acceptable. IT IS A HUMAN LIFE! and if someone takes that life by abortion it is MURDER! has nobody heard of adoption? if you dont want a baby, then you can let a couple adopt from you. when you hear stories of woman who ache to have a baby and cant because she is barren and theres all these thousands of woman having abortions without giving it a second thought. it is just so sad!!!

yes, we should. Generally, animals have more rights and protections than an unborn child. Incidentally, how many animal abortions are performed each day? Hey, there's a money-making idea. The medical community makes plenty off human abortions, why shouldn't the vetrinary community do the same?

The difference between the condor and a baby is a baby has a soul infused in to the body by God at conception. When we abort a baby (I know they want you to refer to this as a baby,as tissue that's why they call it a fetus.) and it is a baby, it is murder in the purest form. It's not only morally wrong, your right we are at a stand still humanly and economically. these beautiful babies that were aborted from the beginning (Roe vs.Wade) would have contributed to society physically and monetarily But now the gov, has to get rid of the wasted people who don't contribute anymore because they drain our society..... Euthanasia. I'm all for saving endangered species, but we humans are more important than an animal. God help us and God bless you for your question.

It is all about the choice of the egg owner. The Condor cannot consent to "condor egg killing by humans". A human can consent to abortion. See the Condor must also have choice.

Uh, maybe because HUMANS ARE NOT ENDANGERED.

Take in for a moment that we don't protect them because "they're lives." We protect them because we don't want condors to die out.

It's not that we enjoy abortions or take them lightly-- they're just a different matter entirely. And no, humans could not be endangered at that rate of abortion-- at the birth rates, the suggestion is MORONIC.

I hope, darling, that YOU are a vegan in order not to be an utter hypocrite.

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Hmm, well, that's only because your arbitrary suggestion of what "a life" is. I'm sorry, but, a first term fetus is not a baby. If you decide it's at conception that it becomes a life, than any egg or any sperm is potential for life. Or, the morning after pill is murder as well. Or, hell, even birth control is murder, depending on how it works.

Let me ask you a question though. A clinic is on fire, and there is a 2 year old in one corner, and 10 fertilized eggs in the other. Who do you save? They're all lives right? So 10, or 1, and what's the distinction?

Unborn eagles. Seriously. Human babies can grow up to ruin our Earth