#10 Atheists what would be your LOGICAL rebuttal to this evidence of the existence of God?

Question

The Big Bang starting from an extremely small singularity which exploded with incredible force setting in motion the creation of the universe. So from where came the singularity?  There are only four logical answers to this: that it was spontaneously generated, that it was eternal, that there is an endless cycle of universes, or that it was created.
1) The First Law of Thermodynamics states that no new matter or energy can be created or destroyed. Therefore all matter/energy had to be contained within that microscopic singularity. If one says that this spontaneously generated this would be a violation of the First Law. There are no exceptions to this Law. This rules this possibility out.
2) The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that everything moves towards decline or entropy. Energy is constantly being transformed to unusable forms of energy.  This means that the amount of usable energy is running down irreversibly.  Because usable energy still exists the universe could not have always existed.
3) The idea of an endless cycle of universes has already been disproved by science.  If it were true the expansion of the universe should be slowing down. Science has proved that instead the speed of expansion is increasing thus making to idea of a cycle of universes nonviable.
4) This leaves only the final possibility that the universe exists because of an action taken by God.  
“When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

Simon T · Answer

Did you know that gravity is negative energy?  Well physicists think it is, and they have good reasons to do so.

And did you know that if you add up all the energy that is in the universe in forms of actual energy, and the energy equivalent to all the matter in the universe (as far as we can see)  then it equals (to the best of our measurements) the negative energy equivalence of gravity in the universe.

It appears that the net sum of the universe is zero.

So a universe from "nothing" is quite possible, because it is still a net nothing.

P.S.  the laws of thermodynamics apply to our universe.  we have no way of knowing if they apply to the realm from which the universe formed.

? · Answer

If everything that is impossible is rejected then that which remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
So lets see now. Did the big bang take place?
We cannot create matter nor destroy it.  Was that true during a singularity?
Everything we know moves towards increasing entropy. Was that true during the big bang? Was there something outside of this universe that traded a loss of entropy for our gain of entropy?
The universe appears to be expanding AT THE MOMENT. Therefore we presume it started from an infinitely small point.
This does not preclude it shrinking at some point in the future.
This may or may not happen.

We just don't know.  
So there are a lot of things that we don't know.  We have failed to reach Sherlock Holmes criteria.

Of course if the evidence also points to the concept that God cannot exist then that too is hardly the explanation.

We simply DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.  Bother.

neb · Answer

A logical rebuttal is easy

1) by your own definition, the existence of God violates the 1st law

2) by your own definition, the existence of God violates the 2nd law

3) this has nothing to do whether God exists or not

4) This leaves only the final possibility that God does not exist.

“When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth

CarolOkla · Answer

FALSE PREMISES You are ASSUMING ALL universes have the SAME laws of physics, thermodynamics and quantum mechanics. You rig the argument and then use circular logic. You obviously do NOT understand that energy and mass are interchangeable, but the process us inefficient because of entropy. You are also assuming this Universe is CLOSED system. It may Not Be closed. Why does symmetry HAVE to break the SAME WAY every time a universe is created?

Mr. Bluelight · Answer

1.  The universe was in an volume equivalent to Plank space, which is 1x10^-43 meters per side.  At this point, quantum mechanics takes over and things come from nothing and go to nothing all the time (the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle).  Besides, there is no such thing as "before the Big Bang" since time itself did not exist then.  Time is a dimension, saying "before the Big Bang" is the same thing as saying "north of the North Pole".
2.  The universe is doing just this.  The energy is being used up, and the universe is slowing dying.
3.  Science has proven no such thing.
4.  False analogy.  God is NOT the only possibility.

Anonym · Answer

physics worked a bit differently then. also this sounds like another god of the gaps argument.

? · Answer

1. I don't understand
2.  I don't understand
3.   I don't understand
4.  Super dude likes me best.

? · Answer

The matter and energy always existed and always will.  Get over it.

Anonym · Answer

Only in your mind for you lack education on the subject you are spouting.

God is a delusional belief and therefore if you believe such by logic and reason you are deluded.

Atheist.

#10 Atheists what would be your LOGICAL rebuttal to this evidence of the existence of God?

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