#9 Atheists what would be your LOGICAL rebuttal to this evidence of the existence of God?

Yes, this is right, and I never thought of it like this before. Thank you for pointing this out.

So did God come from nothing? Why is God special, but the universe isn't?

My rebuttal is as follows:

The universe is x therefore god exists is a laughably stupid dumbass religiturd argument that has absolutely no connection whatsoever to logic or reason.

By the way, the argument that Oranges are roundish fruit doesn't prove god exists either.

Rolls eyes

its a law according to our knowledge NOW, if we find something else that changes, this is why we say theory instead of actual fact because we canot falsify other hypothesis like fariting pixies, we follow the evidence to an extend

i dont believe it was a god i remain on default, it might have been a god,farting pixies ,aliens or whatever

I am an atheist and I do not believe in a God..... That is it and absolutely nothing else.

Assumption of anything other than stated is not relative to atheism.

Atheism

As a result those who state that the universe came from “nothing” violate the first law of thermodynamics

- And like all good fundies, you COMPLETELY contradict your first statement. NOTHING does not exist. Matter/energy has ALWAYS existed.

Typically some try to make nothing something by stating there were quantum fluctuations without any explanation as to how they could exist if nothing else does

- Lets try this again - NOTHING - does not exist. Quantum fluctuations exist. Matter/energy exists, it cannot be created or destroyed. Try actual thinking.

Likewise some appeal to the Law of Gravity without remembering that they have also stated that the universal laws all break down completely as you approach the moment of the Big Bang

- And we are back to quantum fluctuations. Really, try actually reading what you type, you contradict yourself at every turn.

This means that the Law of Gravity did not yet exist.

- "Matter" gravity, not "quantum" gravity. Try reading something intelligent.

If there are no objects then there is no gravity

- Quantum gravity exists at a quantum level.

- And after that it was semantic tap dancing, making ZERO sense.

There are various possibilities. Maybe there was always some energy, since the beginning of time (if there was one). Maybe there is positive energy and negative energy, of the same magnitude, so that the total energy of the universe is zero. I think it has been established that quantum fluctuations exist, even though we may not know the cause (if there is one). I really don't know enough about them to say whether they might have caused the energy in the universe. If it is true that, "the universal laws all break down completely as you approach the moment of the Big Bang", then the First Law of Thermodynamics would be one of those laws that break down, and so it might be possible for energy to be created.

"If nothing existed then the implications are clear"

No, they are not. The conditions at the start of the universe are anything but clear under any circumstances.

Uhuh.

And what has that got to do with me being an atheist?

I make no claims as to how things started or are running now.

I don't know and I won't pretend I do.

Nothing made nothing into a tiny dot smaller than a period on this page which exploded containing the sun and all the stars

Not one word of that proves any god exists.