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Ds: Show Breeding Ethics?
I never competed in the show ring nor bred a dog. The facts I'm stating are strictly from a documentary about show dogs and their owners.
The researcher, I felt was bias to the show ring, and it showed when she interviewed the kennel club president and judges. More interesting is the fact more show dogs are bred in their lifetimes ( producing a dozen or more litters ).
My question is, and I know I'm beating a dead horse, would you categorize the show ring breeders as ethical?
The presidents exact statement pertaining to disqualifing dogs with health issues " we would lose people and they would continue breeding".
The Best in Show was awarded to a King Charles Spaniel with a neurological issue ( who fathered more than 20 litters )
What are your thoughts on dogs in the show ring not being disqualified for having cosmetic surgery to fix a defect or for having health issues?
Add: the reporter got a statement from the vet of the Spaniel and it stated he told the owner to beer breed the dog. The owner when questioned said she doesn't want to comment on dogs health issue.
The documentary illustrated a few breeds some hundred year ago, and they look distinguishly different from today. I can't I'm shocked the working line of today German Shepherd still closely resembles the German Shepherd from back in the day.
At the conclusion of the documentary, the kennel club agreed to a code of ethics that said a healthy pup should not be culled because it doesn't cosmetically fit the breed standard. Still no code of ethics pertaining to new breed standards.
Sisyphus....agreed. As previously stated the report was bias. IMO I disagreed with the reporter on culling pups with defects.....these dogs should not be bred nor a dog with health issues ( obviously ).
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- Lacey UD, RELv 7vor 8 JahrenBeste Antwort
Oh, I'm going to be TD fodder for answering this but here it goes.
There are ethical and non ethical conformation breeders; Ethical and non ethical field trial breeders; Ethical and non ethical pet breeders; Ethical and non ethical performance breeders; Ethical and non ethical working dog breeders and Ethical and non ethical breeders in general.
I've seen breeders of all types that bred towards the extreme when the standards are concerned under the guise of "betterment".
Breeders who preach health testing but they themselves do not send their radiographs and other test results to the OFA nor do they allow positive results to be posted on the OFA.
Breeders who tell each other what they do to skirt the law in regards to vaccinations and pet limits. Breeders that have top winning show dogs that are coifed and clean but yet you can smell their home and kennel from the street. I don't mean in a good way either.
Breeders who claim never making a dime from their breeding operation but somehow mange to hire the top handlers and trainers in the business. When asked what their day job is their response is a Wal-Mart greeter; veterinary technician; or some other low paying job.
Breeders that sell defective pets for big money to ignorant pet owners. Yes I know conformation breeders that also breed "teacups" because this is what the public wants. Where do you think the term "teacups from champion parents" comes from
That's the thing about ethics, you can make them mean a lot of things. Ethics are in the eye of the beholder. Having A CODE OF ETHICS doesn't mean crap unless people follow them. There is no way that they can be enforced except to ban the member from the breed club. That breeder still has all the rights to compete unless they are brought up on charges by the AKC or other show giving entity. Let me tell you how difficult that is to achieve.
Quelle(n): old balanced trainer and NADOI member - Nekkid Truth!Lv 7vor 8 Jahren
are you talking about "Pedigree Dogs Exposed"? This show was obviously biased. Im sure most of the film ended up on the cutting room floor. Im also quite sure all interviews were edited to show the producers side of the story, and not the whole truth.
They also picked the WORST examples from the show ring. Not everyone in the show ring is ethical, no. Some just get those CH titles for the bragging rights, but are not making the efforts to breed properly. I wouldnt be so quick to pass off all show breeders as "unethical". Most of them are doing health tests and breeding for health and temperment. Most I know do not breed their females more than 2-3 times (many are bred once, or not even bred at all). Males can easily sire multiple litters, so not really unusual for a male to have sired a dozen litters.
- Anonymvor 5 Jahren
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- Anonymvor 8 Jahren
I Have watched the exact documentary somewhere on youtube.
I consider it to be as ethical as the breeders who compete. Generalizing it would only get me beaten so... I will tell you My opinion.
I do not have a particular interest in show breeding as it seems that it has done more damage to the breed itself than good. The improvements made to the actual breed are minimal; more of providing it the look of an exaggerated mutant.
It really pissed me off when the lady was still going to breed her dog, knowing that it had medical issues that are GENETIC! Eeep!
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- jessica gLv 5vor 8 Jahren
It really just depends on that specific person. My cousin shows dogs and she treats her dogs like her kids. She got them all the proper health and genetic tests done and before she bred one of her dogs she won a champion title. There's people in showing for a hobby, and there's people showing to make money. The people who show as a hobby usually take the time to get their dogs tested for health problems and they actually care about their dogs. They also won't breed their dogs more then two or three times before totally retiring the dog.
- Anonymvor 8 Jahren
I know lots about horses but my grandmother knows a lot about show breeding as she used to breed and show Rottweilers and Chihuahuas. Some breeders to overbreed their dogs but very few of them do it. Some of hers would get fatty tumors which are benign but they're just not pretty as my boxer has many of them. If they appear ona show dog they will have them removed. Some of the breeders are not concerned about the dogs only about the money they will win. But for most of the breeders they love the dogs and thats why they do it.
Quelle(n): Grandmother/my own experience - Anonymvor 8 Jahren
AGAIN.....for 743rd. time..that (OLD!) AR-brainwashed/peta-nutz CRAP was absolutely totally completely 100 % FULOVSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CULL DOES ***NOT**** MEAN KILL!
ALL breed clubs DO have a "code of ethics"=it's INCOMPREHENSIBLE to average imbecilic preteen doggy-woggy-wuver!
As for the GSD so commonly touted by the utterly ignorant....the photos. are of STACKED animals!