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At John 14;31 Jesus said..I love the father?

Trinitarians claim that Jesus IS God, so they are saying that Jesus loves himself.

And we all know that cannot be correct..

Jesus and his father are two separate identities.

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  • BJ
    Lv 7
    vor 9 Jahren
    Beste Antwort

    “I love the Father.” Nothing mattered more to Jesus than that. Not that he constantly repeated the statement. In fact, John 14:31 is the only place in the Bible record where we find Jesus expressing his love for his Father so directly.

    Yet, Jesus lived those words. His love for Jehovah was in evidence daily. Jesus’ courage, his obedience, and his endurance were all evidence of his love for God. His entire ministry was motivated by this love.

    Jesus’ love for Jehovah can be deduced from all the Gospel accounts of his life, but only John records that Jesus explicitly stated: “I love the Father.” (John 14:31)

    Jesus also stated that Jehovah loves him and explained why. He said: “Just as the Father has loved me and I have loved you, remain in my love. If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.” Yes, Jehovah loves his Son because of his implicit obedience.

    Jesus witnessed the rebellion of a wicked angel who turned the first humans against God’s rule. This gave Jesus the most important reason for wanting to be born as a perfect human Son of God. What was that?

    It was to prove that his heavenly Father has the right to rule the universe. By remaining faithful from his birth till his death on earth, Jesus demonstrated his willingness to subject himself to Jehovah’s way of ruling His creatures.

    Before his death at the hands of God’s enemies, Jesus clearly stated the reason for his willingness to go through with the course of sacrificial death. He said that it was in order for the world to know that he loved the Father.

  • vor 9 Jahren

    Trinitarians do not say Jesus loves himself. We know Jesus and the Father are separate.

  • J
    Lv 5
    vor 9 Jahren

    God manifested himself in 3 forms. The body,soul and spirit.

    John 1:1-3,14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

    Jesus, in His prayer recorded in John 17, confirms that He was with the Father in the beginning:

    John 17:5: "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."

    Phil 2:5-11: "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

  • vor 9 Jahren

    Jesus is God.Atheists and antichristian have posted on here more times then I can say that they say He can't be God.Jesus is Lord and God.Jesus being God is not the decision of atheists and antichristians.Strange they would think it is their decision.Strange they would claim He isn't God when they are not even suppose to believe in God.Why should they care if they supposedly do't believe.Strange.

    Quelle(n): Atheists and antichristians many postings to declare Jesus isn't God and other biblical topics they claim to know how correct they are?????????????????????????
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  • Anonym
    vor 9 Jahren

    God is one Being. He has chosen to manifest Himself to us in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The fact that we don't readily understand the triune nature of God is meaningless; how could any human being be so **arrogant** as to claim that God's nature must be comprehensible to human minds???

  • Anonym
    vor 9 Jahren

    How wrong you are! God in fact does love Himself. God is love and love loves love. God is good and loves goodness. God cannot deny who He is! If He isn't good and love and the author of virtue then He doesn't deserve our praise!

    read this on duality of Christ's nature: https://ontheword.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/1-the-t...

    edit: also I don't believe the trinity doctrine. I'm a Oneness believer.

  • Anonym
    vor 6 Jahren

    Greetings Jehovah’s Witness, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!

    I confess that Lord Jesus Christ is my Saviour and that the Bible is the word of God.

    As Christians, we know that Lord Jesus wants us to abide in pure truth which sets us free as opposed to doctrines of demons and men’s imaginations which were designed to keep us in spiritual oppression and slavery. The Holy Spirit is here and very active on the earth as our Helper and He reveals the mysteries of the Biblical Scriptures to us all. We need to read for ourselves, ask the Holy Spirit and listen to His teaching.

    The Holy Spirit is moving mightily during these last days, baptizing many with fire and empowering us with His much needed gifts for the edification of the Church. Only at the end of the Church Age will the gifts be discontinued (because at that time the Church will be perfected)… but during this time He is generously distributing them to Christians who are willing to work for God’s glory and as a Spirit-filled Christian I bear witness to this.

    Some individuals like to predict the date of the Second Coming of Christ. For example, Charles T. Russell who established the Watchtower organization predicted that Christ would restore paradise by 1914 then shifted the date to 1915 and moved it again to 1918. The date was changed yet again to 1925 by Russell’s successor J. Rutherford. The Bible strictly warns us about false prophets (Mat 7:15, 2 Peter 2:1, Deut 18:20).

    The founders of Jehovah's Witnesses were not only false prophets. They were also quite racist, preached racist doctrine, and enforced racist policies. Both Russell and Rutherford taught that black skin was a sign of the Biblical curse on Cain, blacks were inferior to whites and blacks were divinely ordained to be servants and slaves. In the early 20th century blacks were banned from preaching work (The Golden Age, July 24, 1929, Zion's Watch Tower 07/15 1902, Zion's Watch Tower 02/15 1904, Zion's Watch Tower 03/15 1900)!

    As Christians it is VITAL to teach the correct identity and nature of the Lord Jesus Christ. If one preaches a different Jesus then they preach a different gospel and if they do not repent and preach the truth, they are destined for the Lake of Fire (Galatians 1:8).

    Let’s look objectively at what the Bible teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ and see whether the Holy Trinity is scriptural or not. There is only one God (Isa 43:10-11; 44:6,8; 45:21-22; 46:9; John 17:3; 1 John 5:20-21). The Father (Jehovah) is God (1 Peter 1:2; Philippians 2:11), the Lord Jesus Christ is God (Matthew 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28; Hebrews 1:8; Hebrews 13:8; Revelation 1:7-8; 2 Peter 1:1; Titus 2:13) and the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; Acts 28:25-27; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 2 Corinthians 3:17). These Scriptures give crystal clear evidence of God’s tri-unity.

    Almighty God was always triune (one God in three persons, not three gods). God is comprised of the Father, the Son (Lord Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, each serving a function. Jesus was not created - He always existed as part of God. Neither was the Holy Spirit created. Human beings and angels were created. The Lord Jesus was made flesh (in the Immaculate Conception) by God, so He (Jesus) could make the sacrifice for our sins. When Jesus was made flesh, He put aside His divine nature and humbled Himself as a servant (Philippians 2:5-11). During that time, the Father was in a greater position but position does not denote an inferior nature. We call Jesus of Nazareth the Only Son of God because God was His Father and not a human being. Jesus is God, Jesus is the Son of God and He is called the Holy One of God.

    The Lord Jesus is eternal and uncreated (Isaiah 9:6; Hebrews 7:3; Micah 5:2, John 1:1-3; 8:58; Colossians 1:15-19), He retained His deity while becoming a man (Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:19;2:9; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3-8), He is equal in nature to God the Father (John 5:18; John 19:7) and He receives the same worship as God the Father (John 5:23; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:11-14; John 14:14).

    On pages 216-217 of the 1939 Watchtower book Salvation, the Society claimed that the Holy Spirit had been taken away in the year 1918. Another totally unbiblical claim is that only a chosen 144,000 persons who were living between Pentecost (c. AD 30) and 1935 will live in Heaven forever. The Watchtower states that only these are parties to the New Covenant and have the Lord Jesus Christ as their mediator.

    The Bible teaches that ALL BELIEVERS will live together in the New Heaven and New Earth. When believers in Christ die they go immediately into Christ’s presence (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-24). ALL BELIEVERS FROM ALL AGES will be resurrected with immortal bodies like Christ’s (Romans 8:11, 1Corinthians 15:42-54; Philippians 3:21) and live together in the New Heaven and New Earth (Matthew 5:5; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1). ALL BELIEVERS IN CHRIST will reign on the earth (Revelation 5:10). ALL OF THE REDEEMED will see God and Christ (Matthew 5:8; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 21:3-4). ALL BELIEVERS are in the New Covenant with Christ as their mediator (1 Timothy 2:5-6). ALL WHO HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR AND LORD are already born again (1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 5:1) and are children of God (Romans 8:14-17; Galatians 4:4-6; John 1:12-13) and ALL BAPTIZED BELIEVERS are part of the church, the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13).

    If you carefully read the Book of Revelation, you will see that the 144,000 of chapters 7 and 14 are sealed Jewish believers who will evangelize during the Tribulation. Email me (authorofdbd@gmail.com) for a copy of the Sequence of End-Time Events in Bible Prophecy.

    The leaders of the Watchtower organization demand that you use only their Bible (the New World Translation) in which the word of God has been carefully altered to suit their beliefs and frankly, their agenda. In studying the Bible I use KJV and YLT Bibles as they are closest to the original Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible. Ask any Bible scholar or do the research for yourself in regards to the deliberate alterations of the original Bible text in the NWT.

    On the topic of blood transfusions and organ transplants, these life-saving procedures are not even close to the eating of blood or cannibalism since the organs and blood in these cases are neither digested nor metabolized.

    The Watchtower also teaches that Christians should not take part in the systems of the world but this is not what the Bible teaches. Prominent Bible characters who were militarily and politically active are Daniel and his colleagues, the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, the centurion in Matthew 8, Cornelius in Acts 10 and Erastus in Romans 16.

    As Christians we must go to God through the Lord Jesus Christ our ultimate High Priest (Hebrews 6:20; 7:24) and not through any created being or organization. The Lord Jesus Christ wants you to be living a liberated and victorious life in Him. He does not want you to be under a wicked and deceitful organization that has on several occasions reversed itself on a number of doctrines and threaten to shun you if you use your God-given mind and dare do the right thing.

    With Love in Christ,

    Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ

  • vor 9 Jahren

    And you, do you love yourself? I love me. It's healthy.

  • vor 9 Jahren

    yes two separate....

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