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Has Felix Hernandez winning the Cy Young restored your faith in humanity?
I'm stretching it a little, but has it at least restored your faith in the fact that baseball writers are smart enough to see beyond wins and losses? There's no way this outcome would have occurred 20, or even 10 years ago.
And how many people still believe he should not have won because of the W-L record?
18 Antworten
- Utter ChaosLv 7vor 1 JahrzehntBeste Antwort
The writers actually started getting smart last year. Felix had the best record in the league at 19-5 but they gave the award to Zack Greinke was was 16-8. Greinke finished 1st in ERA and 2nd in strikeouts. In 2010 Hernandez also finished 1st in ERA and 2nd in strikeouts.
Now if they can only go back in time and give Ted Williams the two MVP's he deserved when he won the triple crown but finished 2nd in the voting because some writers didn't like him.
Same with Albert Belle in 1995 when Belle (50, 126, .317) lost out to Mo Vaughn (39, 126, .300).
- White SoxLv 7vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I just was relieved when I found out he had won. Usually, I can see where people come from when they have differing arguments but I just do not see one good reason Felix should not have won it. People who disagree with this just need to ask themselves, "Who was the best pitcher in the AL in 2010?" Clearly, it was Felix Hernandez. There is no valid reasons for David Price or CC Sabathia being the better pitcher this year.
Baseball has changed and wins for a pitcher don't mean all that much. We've all seen the stats and how Felix got no run support so I won't give any stats. There are just certain things that are out of a pitcher's control, wins being one of them. pitchers should not be penalized because of the team they are on.
Thank you voters!
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And to all the people still upset about this, like telling people wins don't matter and all that and comparing football to baseball. Just look ask yourself one thing:
"Can Felix control the number of wins and losses he gets?"
NO. 14 runs in his 12 losses is what I am hearing. Try and get a win with that run support (sorry, I said no stats but this is shocking).
And don't compare football to baseball, completely different games.
- Anonymvor 1 Jahrzehnt
No, it hasn't. Nolan Ryan had some good sub .500 seasons, and he never won the award, so why should Hernandez? Sub .500 pitchers, nor pitchers who won just 13 games deserve the Cy Young. I will always believe that. What is next, a pitcher with a below 3.00 ERA and a below .500 record winning the award? Where do you draw the line? If all you are going to go on is the ERA, then you might as well rename the Cy Young Award to the ERA Award.
- ?Lv 6vor 1 Jahrzehnt
Yes. I was glad to see they picked the best pitcher and over looked the wins thing. In the AL a pitcher doesn't even bat, there is nothing at all he could do about the fact that his team gave him under 20 runs of support in his losses (I started counting but my connection was slow and it got frustrating.. I read somewhere that its 7 but I know its not that low from counting... ).
There are a few that believe he shouldn't have won b/c of W-L record, and I think this is foolish. Like I said, the game has changed since Cy Young played (heck since Whitey Ford), pitchers don't bat in the AL anymore, they can't score runs. There are some people who say that the person with the most wins is supposed to get the award b/c Cy Young has the most wins, this is not true. They call it the Cy Young b/c it goes to the best pitcher, Cy being the pitcher with an unbreakable record was chosen to be represented by the award in memorandum as the best pitcher ever. In 1964 the Cy went to Dean Chance and the most wins-- Larry Johnson (a mere 8 years into its existence)... it has gone to a pitcher without the most wins many, many times since then.
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- vor 4 Jahren
i do no longer think King Felix will win the Cy youthful Award yet he might desire to. Wins might desire to be a an extremely small element or have no bring about any respect. generally, that is out of the pitcher's administration and for this reason, that's by way of fact the Mariners can no longer hit. yet right here is the massive element: Felix is having a much extra helpful season than everybody interior the AL. he's putting up the terrific stats of any pitcher by lots. that is not any longer even close and for this reason he might desire to win. i think of CC Sabathia will win if he can end the 300 and sixty 5 days with an era below 3.00. value and Bucholz can win too yet i think of Felix merits it extra suitable than everybody else.
- richniehLv 6vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I really think people are making too big of a deal of this and I still believe this will happen in the past as well as today because it is just simply so obvious that Fellix should have won it. The guy lead every major pitching catagory by far but the W-L record. Anyone should spot this, things like ERA and Strike out are both major stats and Felix were leading in both catagory not only by one point. Plus the Mariners last year was one of the worst offensive team of all time.
Come on, why think the people know about baseball today than in the past? From my point of view, anyone with slightly baseball knowledge will know Felix had a better season than anyone else. I think this whole thing is just ESPN trying to get a popularity and they are struggling to find anything interesting now that they are just trying to talk about how genius they are and how they are changing the era of the baseball. Oh yeah, the baseball era is changing, turing into a greedy, dirty and full of dishonest pool.
Hey, this thing is simple, you perform better, you get to win. You do not perform better, you will lose. Nothing is absolute but this is generally what happens in any competitive. Felix's season was a special case that probably never happened before and you are trying to pass jugdement on this fact? You really should go work for ESPN. By the way, if you can find another person with 1 run advantage in ERA but 8 wins negative differences in the history of MLB, please let me know. Trust me, the fact is that, you will be lucky if you can find one even in relievers.
- Montana 16Lv 6vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I am glad that Hernandez won but I am still bitter about Carpenter/Wainwright being passed over last season in favor of Lincecum for the NL Cy Young.
- vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I'm so happy for him... Mariners fan for 25 years here and he truly deserves it.
I have no idea how anyone can even put Sabathia in the mix, the dude had an ERA above 3 yet people will ignore that (a real stat) verses a W/L (not really a stat)
I'm glad to know that the writers got did the correct thing... and to know that he got something like 22 votes is even more cool
- DLv 7vor 1 Jahrzehnt
No, but it did make me realize how irrelevant baseball has become. I can't imagine football doing something like giving Kyle Orton the MVP because "He played for a really bad team so it's not his fault that he couldn't win games." Face it, baseball is being taken over by nerds and losers to whom winning means nothing.
You can tell your kids now "It's okay son, winning isn't important. So long as you try your hardest, the college coaches will definitely give you that scholarship." Try going anywhere else in life with the mantra "Success doesn't matter" and see how far it takes you. Apparently in baseball it takes you to the Cy Young Award.
- vor 1 Jahrzehnt
He truly deserved it. If you watched ESPN, you saw that the Mariners scored the least amount of runs in season since the "DH" era! Felix was dominate against even the toughest of teams such as the Yankees and Boston and lost a great deal of his games by one or two runs.
The Cy young award is all about who is the best pitcher in the league, and that stretches far past the W-L column, especially with historically bad run support.