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kagmi
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kagmi fragte in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · vor 1 Jahrzehnt

What do you know about Our Lady of Guadalupe?

I recently received a flier from a local church group listing various claims about the famous image, "Our Lady of Guadalupe." Some of the claims are pretty striking, including the claim that doctors examining the painting have found lifelike signs such as a pulse and maintenance of human body temperature.

I've had very little success finding objective sources for the technical details of the image online. Almost all the sources I can find, including the official Catholic ones, say a little bit about certain physical attributes of the image but either don't address or don't really clear up these claims.

One of the claims I'm most curious about is the purported presence of near-microscopic images in the eyes of the painting. I've read some claims that they contain clear images of people which are too small to have been painted by a human hand, while I've heard others say these are mere tricks of the brain's tendency to look for face-like patterns in the random distribution of black and light within the paintings' eyes.

What do you know about these questions?

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  • carl
    Lv 7
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt
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    Our Lady of Guadalupe Image

    Her hands are joined in prayer showing she is not God. Mary is bringing Jesus in her womb to the people and she is in prayer to someone greater than her. Her hands are pointing to the cross on her broach. The design of her rose colored garment is important because she is the queen of earth, so she is wearing a map of Mexico on her garment representing to the Indians exactly where the apparition took place. This pictograph represented to an oppressed people things that can only stand for the love of God come to them, for the mercy of God come to them, for the joy of God come to them, for all that could be understood about the tenderness of a mother that comes to them, not with a sword, not with conquering but with love and with mercy. This image is one that has had tremendous success. Within the first 2 decades 30 million Indians were converted to Christianity. This was after decades of no apparent conversions. This image has been responsible for a unity within the culture of the Americas that has brought about the conversion of hearts. So Marry is the patroness of the Americas. And this image has represented that.

    Science

    This image has survived ammonia that was accidentally spilled on it in the 1790s, a bombing attempt in the 20th century that destroyed most of the shrine but did no damage to the image itself. Most copies of the image are deteriorated within 48-60 years. Not only does the image show no sign of deterioration even after almost 500 years there is no evidence of an under sketch, there's no sizing, there's no protective over varnish on the image. Microscopic examination on the image reveals that there were no brush strokes that have been detected. Yet this is on a peasant's coat an image that has such intricate detail and has survived all this time and yet no evidence of actual painter pigment, no brush strokes, no varnish, no preservatives, and 500 years old.

    Some say that the image seems to increase in size and change colors due to an unknown property of the surface and the substance of which it is made. The image is smooth and it feels like a modern day photograph even though of course it was produced 300 years before the invention of modern day photography.

    There have been great controversies about aspects of the image like the constellations having been in the same place as they were that the image was revealed to the bishop. What’s really interesting is that there have been some fascinating discoveries when ophthalmologists have looked into the irises of the eyes of the image. On the eyes there are several images that can be seen reflected. It is believed by many that those images include those of Juan Diego, bishop Juan De Zumarraga, Juan González, and others. In addition the image is same in both eyes yet with slight distortion. And the mathematical distortion from one eye according to ophthalmologists versus the other eye would be the same amount of distortion that would be prevalent in a human eye. This is something that would not have even been thought of 500 years ago let alone reproduced on a microscopic scale.

    In 2001 ophthalmologists were allowed to study the eye again using digital technology through their microscopes. There was an engineer with these ophthalmologists named Jose Aste Tonsmann. He wrote that the dimensions of the images of the irises in the pupils had imprinted on a microscopic level highly detailed images of at least 13 people. He says these images are present in both eyes and are reflecting in a way that you would expect in a human eye. They had one ophthalmologists come in and study this and fall dead away fainting.

    Some say that the eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupe miracle at the moment that Juan unfurruled his tilma before the bishop. It is possible to see a seated Indian who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard who looks like the Bishop; a younger man who is possibly interpreter Juan González; another Indian who is Juan Diego; a woman of dark complexion who is possibly a slave who was in the bishop's service and a man with Spanish features who looks on pensively, stroking his beard with his hand. In the center of the pupils an Indian family can be seen - made up of a woman, a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are standing appear behind the woman.

  • vor 5 Jahren

    Atheists can't explain it because they have no answer. Why? Because the reality of knowing God exists troubles them. Therefore, they make up any reason why "they" question the validity of say, the tilma from Our Lady of Guadalupe. They tout it as fake? For years scientists have been clueless as to how the image on the tilma was made ( there are no brush/paint strokes). They have no answer how some of the colors and their origins do not involve ANY organic material that is known on this planet. They hate having to deny that scientists have found a portrait of the 13 people who witnessed the tilma being unveiled to the Bishop, painted microscopically in the eye of Our Lady. Oh and let's not forget that the stars around the image of Our Lady are patterned as constellations. These constellations are in the PRECISE location that they were in the South Mexican sky back in 1531. Atheists can't explain it because they let their own pride cover up the obvious truth.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    The history of Our Lady of Guadalupe is interesting because she is the Patroness Saint of the Americas.

    It was St. Juan Diego who seen the vision of Our Lady of Guadalupe on Cpeyac Hill. He was born in 1474 and was raised as an Aztec and witnessed the Spanish conquest of Mexico in 1521. The Franciscans baptized St. Juan Diego Roman Catholic in 1525.

    The story is that St. Juan Diego was on his way to church when he noticed a light coming from Cpeyac Hill. He went to investigate and seen a vision of a woman whom he believed was the Blessed Virgin Mary. He was so caught up with the vision he reported what he seen to the local Bishop. The Bishop wanted proof what St. Juan Diego had seen. So St. Juan Diego returned to the area and found flowers growing in the area of where he seen the woman. He gathered them into his cloak and returned to the Bishop with the flowers. The Bishop unrolled the cloak and found an image of the Blessed Virgin imprinted inside the cloak. The Bishop immediately ordered a shrine to be built upon the site.

    After the vision of St. Juan Diego the Church between 1532-1538 had an influx of Aztec converts to Christianity (8 million people). St. Juan Diego was canonized by Pope John Paul II in 2002.

  • vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    The only thing that I believe in is the apparently infinite capacity of otherwise rational human beings with no history of mental illness to believe in the most absurd rubbish.

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  • Anonym
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    She is a tool of Satan, Mary died, therefore she couldn't have appeared to the three girls.

    What the girls saw was a deception, Satan and the bad angels that follow him find it funny to appear as people that have died, Satan's trying to deceive us that "something" lives on once we die. Look up Ecclesiastes 9:5 and Ezekiel 18:4

    Mary has been made into a idol, so those who worship her are bound up in false religion

    Quelle(n): Bible
  • Anonym
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    source???other than "man's twisted distortions/versions, add to's and taking aways. Scripture??? Nope, not found. Deception. Yup, easily recognized. God desires us ALL to Seek the Truth lest we be decieved, decieved by satan to pursuade MANY to believe a great many things that are LIES i.e. direct counterfiets and deceptions....Peace/Love God Bless

    Quelle(n): not PeRfeCt/JustForgiven SDA former catholic
  • Anonym
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    I thought she was the patron saint of guacamole dip. I was disappointed.

  • vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    I don't know that much about it, but be careful of people that get fanatical -- even Catholics.

    Quelle(n): Hey, it happens. Catholic
  • Anonym
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    Its a deceptive entity if in fact something did happen.

  • Anonym
    vor 1 Jahrzehnt

    God said it, I believe it, that settles it.

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