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How can you support Christian Creationism being taught in public schools as science?
If you support Creationism being taught in public school sciences, please point to actual scientific evidence or fact-based theory supporting Creationism as an actual science, as opposed to presenting Creationism as a philosophy, religious belief or ideology.
@ Jojojubi. I have seen Brown's work before when I was researching petrified forests, and happened upon his bit about the Grand Canyon. I grew suspicious of his credibility, cross-checked, and found that Brown is a self-published, young earth creationist who obviously tries to make the facts (and some falsehoods) fit the young earth and flood stories, although I did get some good references to research from his writing.
Stepping back from Brown's work, I realized Brown's arguments can be reduced to one argument: "Where science isn't certain, God did it."
For example, Brown uses ideas about the formation of the Grand Canyon as support for a world wide flood, but the Grand Canyon is obviously a localized event, as was the flood of the Mediterranean, which is thought a possible source of the flood story.
Brown uses made up terms like "evolutionary geologist" even though evolution is a completely different field of study than geology.
@ Chris.
I have no idea why you posted the irc.org link, but I am familiar with answersingenesis.
Evolution theory is entirely based on facts. Your "faith" language is that of the Discovery Institute, who very much likes to play on words to deceive. Evolution theory does not encompass abiogenesis, but certainly supports macro-evolution.
"Atheistic evolutionist" is, again, the verbiage of the Discovery Institute which would like to have people think that evolution is some scheme by atheists to disprove the existence of God. But if anyone proves God and Creationism are true, atheists will reconsider. Proof? No? Didn't think so.
Lastly, as to your tracks links, I know those well, and they have long been debunked. Most of the so-called human tracks are nothing more than water-worn pits of prehistoric animal tracks (http://paleo.cc/paluxy/tsiteovr3b.jpg) and others were completely faked by Creationists: http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm and http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/mantrack.ht...
PS Jojojubi and Chris. Didn't thumbs you down, because at least you guys are talking about looking at evidence, and providing some support for your arguments.
20 Antworten
- jojojubiLv 6vor 1 JahrzehntBeste Antwort
Scientists have gathered an immense amount of data as far as fossils and other geographic evidence, and from this evidence some have theorized evolution as the explanation. Creation science takes these same facts and comes up with a different theory. If evolutionists would stop shouting down any mention of creationism and examine our theory, then make their judgements concerning which is more likely, evolution or creation, they may be surprised. But they're afraid the evidence overwhelmingly will support creationism, which I believe it does. If anyone is a true scientist, he must examine all of the evidence, theories explaining that evidence, and then decide which is the most likely explanation. Check out the online book linked below if you dare.
Quelle(n): http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ - vor 5 Jahren
Creationism is not a science. And in response to the first answerer, I acknowledge that Christian scientists have the capability to be brilliant. Yes, Newton and Kepler, etc were Christians. But just because you are a Christian does not automatically mean you believe in Creationism! I know Christians who believe that Evolution was started by God and they think Creationism is not a science, just a theory. If Creationism is a science, then so is Alchemy. And therefore Alchemy should also be taught alongside Chemistry, should it not? Also, if Creationism is allowed to be taught in public schools, then HEY What about other world religions? I'm sure Islam and Hinduism have their own theories. And about the Norse mythology? If you are to teach Creationism then I demand that all possible theories of world creation are represented. It is only fair, right?
- ChrisPLv 5vor 1 Jahrzehnt
Scientific evidence which supports creationism can be found at http:.//www.icr.org and http://www.answersingenesis.org/
We do not insist that it be taught alone, but alongside evolutionary theory, which is taken by faith as true, and not proven fact. There are some things within evolutionary theory which are true, such as gene mutation and varieties within a kind of animal, but many other things have never been even somewhat adequately proven, such as abiogenesis and macro-evolution, one kind of animal becoming another.
The truth is, most atheistic evolutionists do not want creationism taught alongside their theory. For if God is real, and creationism is true, then they will have to be accountable to God for their actions, and they do not want that. So they insist that only evolutionary theory be taught so they can blissfully continue denying the existence of God, of which there is plenty of evidence.
Quelle(n): If Creationism is true, then you would expect to see evidence of dinosaurs and man co-existing. There is such evidence. The Bible also speaks of dragons, tannin and flying serpents, as well as behemoth and leviathan, both of which the description best fits dinosaurs. The Chinese legend of the Dragon. Alexander the Great and Pliny, the Roman historian, wrote of the dragons in India fighting with elephants and wrapping their wings around them. A depiction of a stegosaurus carved into a temple wall in Angkor Wat, Cambodia circa 1200 AD http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-cambod... Dinosaur figurines found in Acambaro, Mexico http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acamba... Peruvian artwork depicting dinosaurs http://www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art... Other examples of dinosaurs and man co-existing.... http://www.dinosaursandman.com/ http://s8int.com/dinolit1.html http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient... http://www.crystalinks.com/icastones.html - vor 1 Jahrzehnt
People fail to realize what a Scientific Theory actually is:
As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and attempt to duplicate any experimental procedures involved.
Creationists refuse to subject their "theories" to peer reviews, because they know they don't fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of "good science" (creationism) vs. "bad science" (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation "scientists" are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religious beliefs.
Creationism is NOT a theory
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- Pirate AM™Lv 7vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I do not mind various creation stories being taught in the appropriate classes. I have no problem with any one believing in their creation story.
Creationism as it is pandered on the web and in books is a bold faced lie and should not be taught to anyone.
- Anonymvor 1 Jahrzehnt
They already have church to teach creationism. Why bring it into school? Each, Creationism and Science should be taught equally. Science in school, Creation in Church. But schools should have classes about religion only. Non-mandatory of course.
No disrespect to anyone.
Inresponse to Chist. There may be evidence. But is there Emprical evidence?
- Bekah RoseLv 4vor 1 Jahrzehnt
I don't think it should be taught as a science.
I think it should be offered as an elective Humanities, in a comparative religion course.
I also think Origin of Man (the idea that we came from apes) should be an elective in Science.
Evolution can be taught in science.
Evolution is fact, origin is theory.
- MnemonicLv 4vor 1 Jahrzehnt
It shouldn't be, UNLESS christians want to teach evolution in religious class. Likewise, if creationism is required the teacher should have the option what creation myth is being taught.
- vor 1 Jahrzehnt
It's like the copyright to a fanfiction, you ought to put a disclaimer on it saying: "this is not my own work, but the work of square-enix. I do not make any money off of this story. No hamsters were hurt during the making of this story, nor were spiders squished."
- awesome1Lv 6vor 1 Jahrzehnt
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will not go to science if you freaking adults try to push your views on us kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
evolution is not taught at my school and neither is creation.
creation has no place in the science classroom and saying "the trees are proof" is just another way of saying that there is no proof.
if you want your kids to learn about how god magically created everything then homeschool them.